Mass arrests at Occupy Wall Street protests. Are we seeing the next American revolution?

By | November 18, 2011

Mass arrests at Occupy Wall Street protests Are we seeing the next American revolution
Revolution. It happens when the rich get too rich, when governments become too corrupt, when the virus of greed kills off too much of the host.   Our government has been aware of a revolution brewing for years now and has attempted several preemptive attacks.  Bush sowed the seeds of fear and mistrust, while setting up massive spying on Americans under the guise of protecting the country from domestic terrorism. The idea was to use technology to find the leaders of any potential movement and short circuit the revolution.

But, that plan has failed, because, like the Internet, the Occupy movement is decentralized. Almost everyone is fed up. We are working hard and our money is disappearing down a bottomless war hole.  If the tide of discontent will continue to rise, however, we could actually reach a point where the illusory democracy run by the military industrial complex is replaced with some mechanism to implement the real will of the people.  Interesting times. Revolutionary times!

I believe there are cycles of order and chaos in every civilization. Chaos is born of excessive order.  We have so many rules now, so many laws, so much structure, so much organization, perhaps more than ever in the history of humanity… and I believe it is driving us mad.

See the posts I have labeled over the years with a “control freaks” tag. I  watch for these signs with the Order/Chaos cycle in mind. Yes, we need laws. Organization is helpful and structure makes us productive… all to a point, and then something about the Universe dictates that the entire system must fall apart and reconfigure itself in order to evolve.

What does the Occupy movement want as an outcome? I don’t know. There is much discontent, that’s clear.

My requests are simple:

  • – Let me decide how my taxes are spent.  Let everyone decide.
  • – Make all voting software transparent and open source. Same with the counting process.
  • – Close gitmo and all the secret prisons, stop torture, and end illegal detentions without trials.
  • -  Fix my credit score which is 91 points lower than it should be because I was the victim of predatory lending.
  • – Let everyone vote on things that matter, like what nationwide projects we will fund (alternative energy, promoting peace, ending hunger, etc.)
  • – Hire people for those projects. Lots of people. Everyone who needs a job and can work should be working.
  • – Plug the leaks. Why is everyone broke? Where is our money going?

What do you want? Post a comment and let us all know.

Bob Burnett has this to say on the topic of OWS as the prelude to revolution.

OWS is eerily reminiscent of the run up to the American revolutionary war. Three ingredients fueled the original American Revolution. The first was egregious British taxation policy exacerbated by the fact that the colonies had no representation in Parliament. The second was the growth of liberalism and its concepts of natural rights and the social contract. Finally, Americans embraced the values of “republicanism” — in its original form – which criticized both British corruption and the power of the English aristocracy. … – huffpost

Well, I’d rather the whole thing be done peacefully, with everyone standing up at once and calmly, non-violently, insisting on real change for a change.

I can see tents from my office. OWS is still spreading, still growing.

Several thousand demonstrators have marched across New York’s Brooklyn Bridge on a day of protest that saw solidarity rallies across the US. At least 300 people were arrested just in New York, many of them as trouble flared near the stock exchange.

Occupy Wall Street activists started the day by marching through the city’s financial district and later rallied at subway stations during rush hour. Mayor Michael Bloomberg said five police officers had been injured.

Thursday’s nationwide protests were seen as a test of Occupy Wall Street’s momentum, as the grassroots movement against economic inequality marked two months since it began.

‘Critical moment’

It was planned before demonstrators were swept two days ago from New York’s Zuccotti Park, where they had camped since mid-September.

As darkness fell on Thursday evening, protesters – their numbers swelled by union activists – moved on to the Brooklyn Bridge.

Police arrested 65 of them who walked on to the bridge roadway, but otherwise let them pass. Demonstrators massed earlier nearby in lower Manhattan’s Foley Square, where their chants boomed off the surrounding government buildings.

Police tried to pen the protesters using barricades, but without success.

“This is a critical moment,” demonstrator Paul Knick, a software engineer, told AP news agency. “It seems like there’s a concerted effort to stop the movement, and I’m here to make sure that doesn’t happen.”

via BBC News – Mass arrests at Occupy Wall Street protests.

9 thoughts on “Mass arrests at Occupy Wall Street protests. Are we seeing the next American revolution?

  1. Ann

    Are we seeing the next American revolution? I hope so.

    But members of the PR industry and like-minded groups are falling all over themselves in their chase for potential paymasters to counter the movement. And, the result of this will certainly have a negative impact on the movement. Because, generally people just can’t avoid being influenced by advertising and marketing schemes. We’re just plain dumb! And, the movement might just fade away. And, the people will be left to wallow in their own miserable (subservient economic and political) conditions. But, I hope not!

    Lobbying firm’s memo spells out plan to undermine Occupy Wall Street

    By Jonathan Larsen and Ken Olshansky, MSNBC TV

    A well-known Washington lobbying firm with links to the financial industry has proposed an $850,000 plan to take on Occupy Wall Street and politicians who might express sympathy for the protests, according to a memo obtained by the MSNBC program “Up w/ Chris Hayes.”

    The proposal was written on the letterhead of the lobbying firm Clark Lytle Geduldig & Cranford and addressed to one of CLGC’s clients, the American Bankers Association
    .
    CLGC‚Äôs memo proposes that the ABA pay CLGC $850,000 to conduct ‚Äúopposition research‚Äù on Occupy Wall Street in order to construct ‚Äúnegative narratives‚Äù about the protests and allied politicians. The memo also asserts that Democratic victories in 2012 would be detrimental for Wall Street and targets specific races in which it says Wall Street would benefit by electing Republicans instead. ….

    http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/19/8884405-lobbying-firms-memo-spells-out-plan-to-undermine-occupy-wall-street

  2. Brian Markey

    “Let me decide how my taxes are spent. Let everyone decide.”

    Better yet, get rid of taxes. Then people could decide where all of their money goes, without the waste of the government middleman.

    1. Xeno Post author

      Agree. Income tax is a ghost of slavery. A free person owns his/her labor. If you own your labor, no one has the right to tax it.

      1. Cheng

        Better put aside a little of the fruits of your labour so you can build the road/railway to your place of work. And when the bully next door decides to take those fruits, you’d better be ready with a baseball bat.

        1. Brian

          I work from home, and all of my neighbors are really nice:)

      2. Ann

        A baseball bat to safeguard the fruits of your labor? Not necessarily so. It’s more like spontaneous community involvement with women leading the way. This is what I discovered after the fall of the Soviet Union in an Eastern European country, when the “police” and other such authorities were, for the most part, non-existent. And, if they did exist in some parts, they were quite dysfunctional and corrupt. (And, the men? Well, inbetween shots of vodka …. ) This is also what I discovered while in Africa, where the people merely applied justice as they saw fit. And, once again women led the way, when that “justice” got outside the limits of what is considered acceptable. Oh, but stories from the media and cinema might make you think it would be a free-for-all type of world if there were no police, but it isn’t true in the real world. Go live in a Third World country and see for yourself.

      3. Cheng

        You didn’t say how female led community law enforcement dealt with crime in these developing countries.
        Crime seems to increase as the gap between the ‘haves’ and the ‘have nots’ widens. People who have little are unlikely to take from there similarly disposed neighbours.
        I don’t think there would be a free for all, but there is always that element in society who want something for nothing. There was a news article on UK TV recently about a 16 year old kid that was sent down for burglary and was forced to write to the victims. He showed no remorse and blamed the victims for allowing him easy access to their homes.
        Look at the recent riots in the UK where, when presented with the opportunity, quite ordinary law abiding people started looting and even committed murder.
        Could you rely on your neighbours to help you tackle crime committed against you?

  3. Ann

    Cheng, thanks for the nice reply. Yes, you’re correct. In the New Orleans after Katrina there was looting also. There was looting after the LA riots (or “revolution” as some people would have liked to call it, at least at the time) in 1991. The right-wing press really made an issue about this, frightening a lot of people and gun sales soared. Weapons or gun industry was most delighted.

    But, let’s talk wealth, if we may. A long time ago there was a select few who had some sort of relationship with the divine that gave them a right to rule and, although it is seldom interpreted in this way, this divine relationship also gave this elite group the right to be wealthier in a very material sort of way than the common people, which at the time was most all other people. Then along came the industrial revolution and wealth began to spread, or so it seemed. And, yet, oddly enough, the writings of Marx and Engels became popular, but of course they were preceded by numerous others social critics, who hardly ever get sufficient recognition. Whatever. Here we are today more than 150 years after the beginnings of the industrial revolution with very few being really wealthy, and a lot of us being quite poor or getting there, so poor in fact we can‚Äôt even get proper medication if needed, at least in the United States. (However, you can go listen to the politician Ron Paul, who is currently running for the presidency, and hear him say how he never turned away sick person from his hospital, but you‚Äôll not hear him say he didn‚Äôt charge the patient who couldn‚Äôt pay cost of medical treatment.)

    On the other hand ….

    In a lot of Third World countries (and aboriginal cultures still existing in some industrial countries) there’s a sort of social leveling phenomenon that is built into those societies/cultures. Take for instance Potlatch among the Northwest Native American cultures or what anthropologists themselves call the ‚Äùleveling mechanism‚Äù among the Indians of who seek political status in the small villages of Guatemala. According to the Koran, so I am told by its followers and found out when I was in East Africa, the rich are obligated to give to the poor (perhaps this explains why oil wealth is distributed in some Middle East countries by the elite monarchy, at least in the form of social programs and the like.) Whatever Jesus and the scriptures said or says, Christianity however took a different path having once bestowed the Divine Right to kings now bestows similar rights on the wealthy and powerful, so it seems (just ask the clergy who follow the tradition of Liberation Theology which was crushed politically by Rome and physically by the U.S. military and its faithful allies in Latin America in the late 1970s and 1980s).

    When I was in Africa, I found out that traditional healers, especially among those who are successful at healing, have a great opportunity to be quite wealthy from their perpetually grateful former patients. But, there is an unwritten law, so I was told, that a doctor is not to charge his patients the cost of treatment, and, if does so, dire consequences result. And, I was told of countless stories when healers or their family members became blind, sick or died, because they chose the path of wealth by taking money from their patients. Whether these stories are true or not is not the point as much as these accounts display a form of social leveling,

    What we see after “riots” and the like is not something really new, as a sort of natural social leveling mechanism taking place in the modern mode, I think. And, I think we should expect such an event , if suddenly (by an act of some truly benevolent great spirit or god) the police and state militias suddenly disappeared. No big deal really, but I suppose it would be if you haven’t experienced common everyday life in a society where being wealthy or being close to it is not the only means doing well and being content .

    But, after a transitionary period, and the leveling mechanism has done its job no one would have any reason to worry about looting, robbing or thievery etc. … I think.

    As to mentioned role of women …

    To be honest, I can‚Äôt explain it why it occurs. I only know what I experienced. Whereas men it seems, for lack of better description, desire not get involved, women do not to allow certain events to occur and become quite agitated when something goes on that they disapprove of. They‚Äôll get emotionally involved, shoot, yell and the like until others get involved and finally the men, sometimes in the form of husbands and sons, get underway to put things in order. In these places women carry a great deal of respect, even though it might not always be obvious, especially when you consider how often they‚Äôre ‚Äúhit‚Äù on when young and lovely. Nonetheless, it‚Äôs the women who seem to know what the moral order of things are. Take a recent example of a woman who suspected a young man as a pick pocket and yelled at the driver of the public transport she was on to stop the vehicle and get the kid arrested. Her antics got other women involved, until finally the driver of the public transport, which was on a fixed schedule, did stop. These women then made another person get the police, who really couldn‚Äôt care less, involved. When women forcefully searched the young man‚Äôs pockets, sure enough, he had my male friends‚Äô items, even though my friend until then didn‚Äôt even know they were stolen. (For some reason he never retrieved the stolen items … I don‚Äôt know ‚Ķ talk to the police).

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