Avoid Alkaline Water Machines?

By | July 3, 2012

Avoid Alkaline Water MachinesI’ve been eating plenty of leafy greens lately, getting some really good minerals. I’ve also been drinking some water from a platinum plate alkalizer. The article below by Dr. Lawrence Wilson warns against these machines, so I’m re-posting part of it here to generate more attention for this view and debate to get at the truth.

© March 2012, The Center For Development, Inc.

This article is a warning to avoid drinking artificially alkalinized water. I am sorry to have to write it, but there is a push to get people to buy alkaline water machines, and the propaganda is intense. Also, when one starts to use it, one feels better, so many people just assume they are becoming healthier, which is not the case in my experience of over 30 years. I am not selling any competing products, and am only interested in keeping people well.

One reason for the popularity of these machines is that some people do indeed feel better for a while drinking alkaline water. Quick benefits may include fewer aches and pains, and perhaps a little more energy. However, the problems with the alkaline water machines more than make up for any benefits they confer.

WHAT IS ARTIFICIALLY ALKALINIZED WATER?

This is most often tap water that is put through an electrical machine that often runs the water over platinum and titanium plates. This process causes the exchange of some platinum and titanium ions that makes the water more alkaline in its pH. The machine also has a carbon filter in most cases to remove some impurities. With some units, one can also add a white powder that makes the water even more alkaline.

This is very different from naturally alkaline spring water, for example. Spring water passes over rocks in the earth and picks up various minerals, which affect its pH. Good spring water usually has a slightly alkaline pH of about 8 or even 8.5, but not much more.

THE RATIONALE FOR DRINKING ALKALINE WATER

The pH balance of the body is very important, and most people’s bodies are too acidic at the cellular level. It does not matter if the saliva, urine or other fluids test alkaline. In almost all cases, the body cells, which is the site of metabolism, are too acidic. This predisposes one to many metabolic imbalances and diseases including cancer. The rationale for drinking alkaline water is that it will correct this important physiological imbalance.

Problems with this rationale for alkaline water. The main problems with this theory are:

1. The real cause of excess acidity at the cellular level is a deficiency of what are called the alkalinizing or alkaline reserve minerals. These come from what one was born with, and from the diet. If one lives a stressful life, one also depletes these quickly. They include calcium, magnesium, zinc, selenium, and a few others.

Unfortunately, drinking artificially alkalinized water does little or nothing to replace these vital minerals. In fact, it may deplete them for unusual reasons. It may make the body think it is alkaline, so the body does not need to hold on to its alkaline reserve minerals as much, and it eliminates some of them, making the person even more deficient.

2. Water from alkaline water machines replaces the vital minerals with a little cadmium, lead, arsenic and other toxic metals found in tap water and not filtered by any carbon filters that I am aware of. Some filtering systems claim to filter out toxic metals, but I have not observed this in practice. Those filters that I have seen that are said to remove a lot of toxic metals tend to damage the water even worse. Reverse osmosis is an example of this type, along with KDF and other types of “advanced” filtration media.

3. In addition, the alkaline water machines also replace the good minerals with a little platinum and titanium found in the plates that the water passes over to make it alkaline. These are both supremely toxic metals, especially platinum.

In addition, I have observed slightly higher levels of nickel in those who use alkaline water machines for several years. The nickel is probably leached from the stainless steel in the machine, or perhaps from a nickel-plated machine part. Nickel is a deadly toxic metal. The alkalinity of the water may cause a little to be leached out of the machine parts.

4. Carbon filtration also does not remove enough of the toxic chemicals in the water, so one is also getting a dose of chlorine, fluorides, aluminum, copper, residues of medical drugs in many areas, pesticides and more.

5. As a result, alkaline water machines do not really balance the body’s pH, although they will change it a little, giving some people the impression they are getting well when, in fact, they are becoming more ill.

The only way to truly balance the body is to replenish the alkaline reserve minerals. To do this, one must eat a lot of cooked vegetables. The cooked vegetables, and perhaps some mineral supplements, when carefully chosen such as kelp, can and do supply the alkaline reserve minerals. Good quality, natural spring water also supplies some alkaline minerals, as does good quality sea salt. Using these on a daily basis, the body can be slowly remineralized. This is the way to do it, not drinking artificially alkalinized water.

…. Platinum is too toxic for any human exposure. While the amount of exposure is small, we have noted that after using the machine for more than about 3 to 6 months, some who use it begin to develop a little platinum toxicity. While this may be okay for most people, some with delicate kidneys or liver problems may be affected. The amount of platinum absorbed from the water depends upon one’s tap water and one’s body chemistry. The more poorly nourished one is, the more platinum one is likely to absorb. Other factors such as one’s age, vitality, etc. also have an effect on platinum absorption. However, any platinum is too much. …

via by Lawrence Wilson, MD.

Is platinum toxic in the body? Yes. I haven’t found any site claiming platinum is a harmless metal.

Compared to gold and silver nanoparticles, platinum it was in the middle in terms of being toxic to zebrafish in one study, causing developmental delays, reduction in touch response and slowed heart rate. – link

Why would knowing that be important? Because people a selling suspended platinum nano particles as a health product and some gullible people are going to poison themselves:

MesoPlatinum® is an all natural mineral supplement in the form of a platinum colloid consisting of nanometer particles of 0.9995 pure platinum suspended in pure deionized water. The only other ingredient is pure pharmaceutical grade deionized water. Colloidal platinum does not combine with any substances in the body and produces no adverse side effects. Colloidal platinum does not interact with or interfere with other supplements, vitamins or medications. The platinum nanoparticles in Mesoplatinum pass out of the body within 72 hours leaving no residual platinum. Mesoplatinum is a true colloid and consists entirely of nanometer size metallic particles platinum and no platinum ions.

… Platinum is reported to promote healthy tissue regeneration. It is believed to increase the electrical transmission across the synapses within the brain to promote general tissue regeneration of the neurological tissues. – purestcolloids

Who “reported” that? If I put up a web site telling you that hitting your head on a brik wall is reported to promote healthy tissue regeneration, I’d be correct, because after you hit your head, your tissue will regenerate in a healthy way, a natural way… follow me? I think they are selling nerve poisons by telling you that they may be good for brain cells which is crazy and irresponsible. Platinum is poisonous and the company selling them as a health product should be shut down.

Symptoms of excess exposure to Platinum include: dermatitis, irritation of mucus membranes, shortness of breath and wheezing (for inhaled Platinum dusts or salts), development of chronic allergic reactions (”platinosis”), nephrosis, and immune system suppression (from Platinum diamine salts). Platinum containing drugs, such as cisplatin and carboplatin, are used as chemotherapeutic agents. Such drugs are extremely toxic and cause nephrotoxicity with associated magnesium wasting and hypomagnesemia (low magnesium), myelosuppression, inner ear toxicity, and neurotoxicity. Urinary Platinum can be significantly elevated for patients that have received the Platinum containing chemotherapeutic agents. If you suspect that you have an elevated Platinum level, it is important to determine total body load. …

via ChealationMedicalCenter

Well, the people above are selling a service, so to get an objective view, if I want to know if something is dangerous, I look up the MSDS sheet. The Material Safety Data Sheet for platinum I found lists the toxic effects for humans as:

“Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation. … May cause cancer based on animal data. … Ingestion may cause intestinal tract irritation with vomiting and abdominal pain. Chronic … inhalation may cause Platinosis, an allergic reaction with symptoms similar to asthma.”

But is it a neurotoxin? Here’s another MD who says it is neurotoxic, but I wasn’t able to find any studies to back this up during the time I had to research this.

Gold, platinum and palladium are neurotoxins, highly allergenic and should not be used in the mouth. – Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, M.D., PhD link

Does it pass through the body harmlessly? No, platinum metals do bioaccumulate according to this study with dolphins:

Platinum group metals (PGMs) concentrations were measured in the tissues= of dolphins (Stenella sp.) caught along the Ghanaian coastline. Tissues from specimens caught by fishermen from Dixcove, western Ghana, were analysed in 2006 for palladium (Pd), platinum (Pt) and rhodium (Rh) using the Neutron Activation Analysis (NAA) analytical technique. Elevated PGM levels were found in the liver, with fresh weight ranges of 0.040-0.481 μg g−1 for Pd, 0.239-0.946 μg g−1 for Pt, and 0.011-0.037 μg g−1 for Rh, supporting other reports of PGM accumulation. This is the first study to show the accumulation of PGM in marine mammals, although the sources of this pollution are not clear and therefore need to be investigated further. The presence of the PGM is very significant, since dolphin meat (‘kako’) is consumed in Ghana. This presents a health risk, due to a possible accumulation of PGMs in humans. – link

What about the Melody Jupiter Ionizer, the one I’ve been drinking from? Debate about it here.

The company that makes the Jupiter machine, Emco Tech is also the maker of several machines in the industry. – link

This is the model I’m considering, available for about $1,800 with the faucet that can dispense acidic or alkaline water.

The company says they are third party tested and there are no detectable metals emitted. Should be easy to test. (Would I use the Neutron Activation Analysis (NAA) analytical technique or something else? Know a good lab?)

Melody JP 104 Features: (The Melody sports a new name, ‘Isis’ Ionways).

  • Filtered alkaline and antioxidant water.
  • Waters flow even while cleaning.
  • Four (4) levels of alkaline water.
  • Four levels (4) of acidic water, including super-oxide.
  • .01M BioStone 3-stage filtration filter.
  • 5-plate polymer ion platinum plated titanium ionizing plates.
  • Coral calcium port.
  • Ability to connect directly into main water supply and operate under pressure.
  • LCD display.
  • Under sink conversion faucet option (sold separately).
  • Comes with complete care user manual and installation instructions, DVD.
  • Comes with all fittings and hoses for easy setup and installation.
  • Comes with a LIFE Time Warranty.

The Jupiter Melody / Isis Water Ionizer is an exceptional machine. The Jupiter Melody offers the under sink conversion kit with faucet as an attractive option when you just don’t have the counter space. Under sink conversion kit is sold separately.

Corrections welcome, I’m certain there are many things I’m getting wrong in this quick review.

9 thoughts on “Avoid Alkaline Water Machines?

  1. Fred Killer

    What? People eat Dolphins?

    That’s tantamount to cannibalism! They can ‘say’ seperate sonar sentences to four individual members of their group simultaneously. Talk about multi-tasking. I bet they could text well if they had opposable thumbs.

    I wonder if there’s a Multi-tasking, Basking Shark?

    What? I’m only asking.

    If there was, people would probably hunt them too, fur their Multi-tasking Basking Shark Skin, hur!

    Sorry, what was the question? Water? Yes, drink some every day. Ever seen The Flight of The Phoenix?

    I think I’ve made my point. 😉

    Seriously though, if you live in America, in some States at least, you’re far more likely to suffer from flouridosis.

    Adding sodium flouride to the water supply was developed by The Nazis apparently, to make the prisoners docile. Sound familiar?

    Flouride is also supposed to be a byproduct of aluminium production because of it’s affinity with it and makes it bio-accumulate in the brain, causing Alzeimer’s syndrome by all accounts.

    Your house has copper pipes? I’m sure you could find studies proving that it’s bad for you too. It is known however, to be necessary for proper brain function, is typically deficient in the average diet like selenium from soil depletion and is included in most quality multi-vitamin & mineral supplements.

    I don’t think platinum or palladium are though. Perhaps that says something, although it could be cost based. Monatomic gold is another ‘New Age’ supplement but I haven’t tried it. It’s supposed to make you immortal apparently.

    Look up Bob Beck and immortal blood; quite interesting.

    Anyway, you may still have lead pipes if you live in an old house.

    I would go by your gut feelings so if you feel better just from drinking a different water than usual, it’s probably doing a whole lot more good than bad, (or what you normally drink is so bad that ‘poisoned’ water is still relatively good for you and a relief for your body). It’s all relative.

    You could also visit a kenesiologist who should be able to tell you exactly what you’re lacking or toxic from, as may a regular blood test, of course.

    The body has it’s own intelligence and your gut instinct is literally that. Your ‘aura’ or etheric and ketheric energy fields will know if what you ingest is in harmony with your system. This is why you throw up or spit out bad food or milk for example, before it even has a chance to go down.

    You feel it in your mouth straight away. It turns your stomach because of the energetic sense of what it contains, as much as any organic sulphurous compounds or molecules given off by bacteria etc.

    Tuna doesn’t turn my stomach (usually) but it’s obviously full of bacteria and stinks something rotten sometimes, if there’s any skin in it. Yuk!

    Your physical reflex is to avoid further contact if you sense danger, whatever the trigger. It’s almost an emotional reaction sometimes, i.e. on another level of awareness or sensitivity. The sixth sense. The smell of fear….. 😛

    Another clue is to hold the water in your mouth for a minute and then slowly swallow it, noting any reluctance to do so or slight tendency to gag. I find Cow’s milk, for example, incredibly easy to gulp down until I’m full, more than any other fluid, especially water first thing in the morning. Even Evian tastes metallic first thing in the morning and I don’t feel like drinking it. The most I can manage is a couple of mouthfulls.

    Regarding platinum toxicity etc. perhaps take a break every few days or weeks and drink spring water instead for a few days, being mindful of the taste difference, if any.

    This will also give you feedback if you suddenly feel better or worse than on the alkaline water.

    Also maybe watch Dr. Bob Beck’s videos on YouTube regarding colloidal silver, blood electrolysis and cancer/fungal therapies.

    If you think about it, how much actual platinum are you really going to dissolve from passing water over it? Does it even oxidise or ‘rust’? It seems to last for long enough in catalytic converters. Perhaps we should ban them, since we’re technically breathing minute quantities of it, probably in the same order as the water filters, if not more. Contrast this with drinking alcohol, smoking and breathing diesel fumes to put it in perspective.

    I just started watching a decent looking YouTube video called….(cut & paste title below),

    Shocking Water Filter Review & Comparison: Berkey, Doulton, Reverse Osmosis, etc.

    Bottom line for me is, a healthy, exercising, regularly detoxing individual should have no issues as you’re doing so much to help yourself already that you’re practically immortal compared to most sedentary people and what you don’t eat is far more important than what you do. Only time will tell if platinum ions or whatever are harmful long-term so just do everything in moderation and stick to natural and organic wherever possible.

    1. Xtremetic

      We should take into account just how much platinum from catalytic exhausts has been detected from dust collected from roads. Presumably we are all breathing this in, yet no one is concerned. Maybe they should be, who knows?

  2. Anita Turner

    Hello, I am a cancer patient and have been drinking alkaline water from a machine in a health food type store for ~ 6 months. I have had bronchitis for 3 months and been on antibiotics 3 times. I am no longer coughing up mucus, but a cough and wheezing remain. I went to the doctor a 4th time for this yesterday. He gave me a shot, an asthma pump and a prescription called methylprednisolone. I will stop drinking alkaline water from a machine. Can you recommend a brand of naturally occuring alkaline spring water?

    Thanks
    Anita

  3. Holly

    I’ve used the Jupiter Melody Ionizer for 5 years now. Due to ill health I had my chiropractor perform a hair analysis and I am WAY titanium toxic. I am very health conscious and the only way titanium is getting into me is thru the Jupiter Melody Ionizer with it’s titanium and platinum plates. Even setting it on purified water, it still goes over these plates. The discussions over for me, this ionizer is going in the trash.

  4. Xtremetic

    I have always assumed that pure titanium and platinum are non toxic which is why they used as medical implants to repair bone etc. I have also assumed that all reports of toxicity are from contact with the salts of these metals. Another assumption is that low voltage electrolysis cannot cause disassociation of platinum and titanium at the electrodes. Maybe all these assumptions are wrong or maybe some of the previous posts are just scare mongering by vendors of alternative water purification systems. It does seem likely to me that if there were users of these alkaline water machines suffering metal toxicity there would be plenty of publicity about it as there was when some women claimed to have suffered platinum poisoning from silicon breast implants

  5. sonofamachinist

    My 2 cents. I have an Enagic K8 unit with a 3 stage pre filter and I still plan on changing the internal filter when required inside the unit. I get hair mineral analysis so far I have had three and it does not report back on titanium (analytical research labs). Maybe different labs do different testing?
    The K8 allows me to clean the plates with citric acid for 3 hours, plus I reverse the polarity with beauty water for a few minutes every day which helps clear the plates of any buildup. Now my 2 cents on platinum or titanium toxicity from ionizers. If one were to buy an ionizer that so called (self cleans), or not bother with the citric acid cleaning cycles (recommended by Enagic to be done every 1-2 weeks or depending on water conditions), then yes it does seem that plates may be able to release some nano particles of platinum due to buildup of plates which may cause more heat then normal. As far as titanium release? Platinum would have to erode enough to expose the titanium, doesn’t seem likely to me but if it did one would have gotten plenty of platinum in the system by then. The manufacture if they do indeed test for platinum particles in the water do not test the machine after it has been neglected or so it is may be my opinion this seems so.
    Follow the manufactures recommendations even if it seem overkill and if you your ionizer does not allow for a long cleaning cycle then maybe you should buy a deep cleaner for your ionizer. (allows you to pump citric acid and water through the ionizer continuously for as long as you like.)
    Quick note on the qualities of the water: PH water produced by electrolysis is easily neutralized compared to natural PH water or PH water created by adding alkaline minerals. I do not consider the PH to be a major health factor. I eat my cooked vegetables, and take alkaline minerals as prescribed which will have a much greater effect on my PH.
    The -ORP, micro-clustering and structuring of the water is much more relevant IMO.

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